E17, KDE and menus

[Freddy]

Greetings friends.

I just tried to install a copy of e17 over a KDE install. I used Rui's tutorial over at ubuntuforums to to do this but the menus are empty. I have a bunch of KDE applications and kcontrol installed but nothing shows up in my menu, can someone kind soul help, do I really need to make .desktop files myself if I already have a working menu in KDE?

Can I somehow make Enlightenment17 to not put icons on my desktop, the only way I know is to delete them all and make the desktop folder inside /home 'read only' but can it be done any other way?

/Thanks


(edit by Rui, changed name to mention menus)

[Bro.Tiag]

Greetings friends.

I just tried to install a copy of e17 over a KDE install. I used Rui's tutorial over at ubuntuforums to to do this but the menus are empty. I have a bunch of KDE applications and kcontrol installed but nothing shows up in my menu, can someone kind soul help, do I really need to make .desktop files myself if I already have a working menu in KDE?

Give this a try, from the e17 wiki;

Applications
This menu shows your XDG menus, i.e. the same menu that GNOME/KDE uses. If it's blank and there are no categories nor applications in it, just paste a .menu file in your ~/.config/menus directory. For example:

cp /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu

And you can edit it in the way you want. If you don't want to edit the .menu file, but you want your menu to be updated every time you install an application, try to set your XDG_MENU_PREFIX variable like this:

export XDG_MENU_PREFIX="gnome-"

for GNOME and

export XDG_MENU_PREFIX="kde-"

for KDE.

Note: If you are using a C-like shell use "setenv" instead of "export".

That's it. You can start your favorite applications now. :-)

Can I somehow make Enlightenment17 to not put icons on my desktop, the only way I know is to delete them all and make the desktop folder inside /home 'read only' but can it be done any other way?

/Thanks

Aye (this is from memory so bare with me), Menu>Configure>Configure Panel> Select Extentions on the left panel, then in the right panel select File Manager then un-check the option to show desktop icons.

Cheers

[Rui Pais]

Hi.
Thanks Bro.Toag for the answers. I'm not used to kde so can't be of much help there...
I don't know if a kde user have a /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu
(i think it should be kde-applications.menu or /usr/lib/kde4/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu...)

About icons on desktop they can be disabled like Bro.Tiag mention or complete remove the module 'File Manager' (lighter and a entry shorter on main menu)

[Bro.Tiag]

About icons on desktop they can be disabled like Bro.Tiag mention or complete remove the module 'File Manager' (lighter and a entry shorter on main menu)

Good idea, I never thought of that.  OH, and I have no idea 'bout kde or gnome (I only run e17) menu stuff, that is just what is in the wiki.

Cheers

[Freddy]

Thanks you both for the help, I'll have to try this when I get home.

[Bro.Tiag]

I'm not used to kde so can't be of much help there...
I don't know if a kde user have a /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu
(i think it should be kde-applications.menu or /usr/lib/kde4/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu...)

I looked a wee bit into this, (since I dona even set up the menu on my test boxes & my daily ride is so old/tweeked it's hard to tell).  On a stock debian one gets a debian-menu.menu & gnome-applications.menu both in /etc/xdg/menus/.  Some kde apps, when installed, will also bring in kde-applications.menu.  All the same applies for a default debian-kde install.  My guess is the same also holds true for a default debian-Xfce install (but that will probably already include the  gnome-applications.menu).

On a netinstall, if one does install menu & menu-xdg (without any kde/gnome/Xfce apps) and runs update-menus, then the only thing in /etc/xdg/menus/ is debian-menu.menu.  Regardless of what *.menu is in /etc/xdg/menus/ it can be renamed & copied to ~/.config/menus/applications.menu ( ~/.config/menus might also have to be made).

Cheers

[Freddy]

Greetings again .

cp /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu ~/.config/menus/applications.menu

Didn't work that well, it did add a couple of applications to my menu, but far from all and under really weird categories. Any ideas how to manually build my menu?

Inside KDE I let kcontrol theme my gtk apps for a seamless integration with my apps based on qt, inside E kcontrol doesn't do this, is their a way to accomplish this or do I need to find me some gtk themes and use gtk-chtheme?

[earlycj5]

Greetings again :).
Didn't work that well, it did add a couple of applications to my menu, but far from all and under really weird categories.  Any ideas how to manually build my menu?

Inside KDE I let kcontrol theme my gtk apps for a seamless integration with my apps based on qt, inside E kcontrol doesn't do this, is their a way to accomplish this or do I need to find me some gtk themes and use gtk-chtheme?

Haven't tried it, but either install gtk-chtheme and select the gtk-qt engine/theme or use the contents from . gtkrc-2. 0-kde in your . gtkrc. mine file. 
 Either one should work I think.

[Bro.Tiag]

Greetings again .
Didn't work that well, it did add a couple of applications to my menu, but far from all and under really weird categories. Any ideas how to manually build my menu?

I have, but it's a real pain in the arse, and I only messed with my Favourites menu.  The place to start is at E17 and Efreet.

Cheers

[Freddy]

I have used this 'HowTo' http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet#Sample_.22applications.menu.22 but that didn't help much. I have copied my 'kde-applications-menu' to '~/.config/menus' but no luck their either.

If anyone know of how to get my applications menu to show my applications I would be eternally grateful.

Btw I'm using a Ubuntu base system with kde-core and bunch of applications installed.

/Thanks

[Rui Pais]

I have used this 'HowTo' http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet#Sample_.22applications.menu.22 but that didn't help much. I have copied my 'kde-applications-menu' to '~/.config/menus' but no luck their either.

If anyone know of how to get my applications menu to show my applications I would be eternally grateful.

Btw I'm using a Ubuntu base system with kde-core and bunch of applications installed.

/Thanks

Well i don't know much about kde way of doing things, but i think that the issue of some kde icons don't appear on menus may happen (i'm not sure) if kde apps don't put they *.desktop files on  /usr/share/applications.

Try to search for the .desktop file of one of the missing apps and if not on /usr/share/applications, make a link there to the actual place.
Maybe that will create the entry (it must create it, as long as .desktop file has correct syntax)

[Bro.Tiag]

I have used this 'HowTo' http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet#Sample_.22applications.menu.22 but that didn't help much. I have copied my 'kde-applications-menu' to '~/.config/menus' but no luck their either.

If anyone know of how to get my applications menu to show my applications I would be eternally grateful.

Btw I'm using a Ubuntu base system with kde-core and bunch of applications installed.

/Thanks

Do this first, open a terrminal and type;

Code:

find / -name *.menu

Past the output here.

Cheers

[earlycj5]

I know this is old, but I was having issues with it myself.

Installing the "xdg-menu" package fixed my missing applications menu.

Somehow it uninstalled with some other stuff when I was fooling around I guess.

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